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ENC 1101: Writing Academic Arguments

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in tyler we trust
kayleythomas wrote in uf_enc1101
Everyone must respond to this first prompt, but you are not required to comment on anyone else's reply (you're more than welcome to, of course).
 

After reading about Pathos and Ethos in your textbook, consider Fight Club. Throughout this unit, we'll analyze the rhetoric of a number of different texts, but we'll be particularly looking at the rhetoric of the film Fight Club as well as how Tyler Durden himself functions as a rhetorician.

How does Tyler persuade the Narrator and the Fight Club and Project Mayhem members to follow him? What kind of rhetorical methods does he employ? How does he use Pathos and Ethos? Why do you think he's successful?

You don't necessarily need to go back and watch the film; just write about what comes to mind. We'll discuss your answers in class.
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Tyler gets the narrator and the project mayhem members to follow him by appealing to their senses. Emotionally the narrator is trying to find a place where he can belong. He follows tyler because tyler gave him a place. This is pathos. By appealing to the narrators emotional needs, tyler was able to get him to follow him. The Project mayhem members were also influenced through pathos. Bob goes used to go to the support meetings because he needed a place where he could cry without people questioning his manhood. Tyler gave him a way to become a man again through fight club. (103 words)

Tyler persuades the narrator to follow him simply by becoming this strong person that seems real at first and helps him become something he is not. It helps him to become more of a man and form fight clubs to show he is a reall man. Rhetorically he using the figment of his alter ego so it doesn't seem like himself commiting all these crimes and problems. Pathos is used in the form of Tyler going from a sweet n lonely person to this man that has no since of direction, is very careless and doesn't care about himself or others. Ethos is examined by his form to have a alter ego and get the point across about the reasoning being the movie. The only reason to believe he is successful in doing things throughout the movie was because he had this alter ego and it made life more presentable to him.

Tyler is extremely persuasive in getting the Narrator, Fight Club, and Project Mayhem members to follow him using a few techniques. The main reason these people follow Tyler is because he appeals to their emotions (Pathos). He gives them an opportunity to rebel against all they disagree with or hate in society initially through Fight Club and later on through the workings of Project Mayhem. The other reason Tyler is such an easy figure to follow is that he unique character about himself. How Tyler presents himself and speaks to the Narrator and the guys of Fight Club and Project Mayhem reveals a lot about him as a person and what he is trying to accomplish. This self-portrayal is called Ethos. Tyler uses Pathos and Ethos in many ways. He mutates to appeal to a person differently based on what that person seems to be looking for. Tyler is successful because of his ingenious use of emotional and physical appeal to people. He is able to identify what people are looking for and then appeal to that specific quality which they seek.

Tyler persuades the Narrator and the Fight Club and Project Mayhem members to follow him because he wins their respect. Tyler is charismatic and confident leader to start with. He also establishes his credibility by appealing to these men feeling, pathos, b y describing them as the strongest and smartest men who’d ever lived, men with potential, but they are slaves to society. Tyler makes reasonable claims and backs them up with evidence, Logos, such as of their lack of purpose, their desired to buy thing they don’t need, such as cars and clothing. He is successful in his claims because the Narrator and all the fight club members are pissed at society and they are looking for an escape and a solution to their problems.

Tyler talks with authority, and with this he is able to persuade people to follow him. By talking with authority Tyler ensures that nobody questions him, because he sounds confident and knowledgeable. In addition, the members see Tyler as a credible source, because he shares the same values as them. Also because Tyler is in the same social class and has the same feelings as the members towards society, this makes him a credible source. By employing authority and establishing himself as a credible source he is using Ethos. Tyler also uses Pathos, he does this by appealing to the members emotions, in this case the anger and frustration of not being able to go anywhere with their life. He uses both rhetorical methods whenever he speaks; he always tries to make sure that he appeals to their emotions, and to not let them forget that he is the leader. With this he is able to accomplish his goal of recruiting members.

Lets just say, Tyler's a quite a persuasive guy... he uses many devices to persuade the members of Fight Club such as:

Pathos; showing the guys how lame their life truely is, and how Fight Club will give them a sense of power and "manlyhood" that they are lacking... what guy wouldnt want to be powerful?

Ethos; he uses his credibility as a handsome, charming guy(and good looks)to show the guys that he has what he wants, he has all that he wants, now it's time for them to step up to the plate.

... and yes some Logos; he provides factual data about how these men have low paying jobs, while the man sitting up on top is making the big bucks!

All of this put together is what makes Tyler Durden so appealing. So what he makes soap? Obviously he wasnt doing too bad since he had all those guys backing him up!

Tyler relates to these other men. He seems to explain to them the meaning of life and how it is unnecssary t have so many material goods. You can live off the basics. Also, he relates to them in the fact he is one of them, it is not ike he is some super human being, no he is just a regular middle class citizen.

Tyler's aura just emanates charisma; he's a person that you just cant help but listen to. He mostly appeals to the insecurities of the narrator and the fight club members. He flat out tells them that they lead lousy lives and gives them an antidote. Because of this, fight club members put him on pedestal and wish to lead their lives like he does. Its the promise of becoming more like Tyler that makes these members faithful. His so-what? attitude makes him an interesting person to follow; his followers see that he has everything- he's good looking, strong, smart and knows how to stick up for himself. All of these qualities make him a credible leader, they all want to be the guy that truly feels like a man and Tyler is their ideal image of what a man should be.

Tyler persuades the narrator, Fight Club, and the Project Mayhem members to follow him because he is the only mentally strong character in the movie. The narrator and Fight Club members feel like they have no place in society, and have completely lost their identities as human beings. Tyler successfully persuades the fighters because of his credibility towards them. He talks to them with strength and authority. This is called Ethos. Another reason how Tyler persuades the narrator and Fight Club members to follow him are because of his appeal to their emotions (Pathos). Most of these men are lost and trying to find a place where they belong. They are unhappy with their lives. Tyler gives them a place where they can relax and unwind. Fight Club is a place where these men can cope with their lives.


Tyler is persuasive to the members of fight club, project mayhem and to the narrator because he is so charismatic. Tyler does what everyone wants to do, but wasn't brave enough. He is how the people want to be, free, careless. Another thing that helps Tyler is how he can be related to the members and the narrator, they can see parts of them selves in him, so he goes through the same middle class problems, with middle class solutions. They practically live the same lives.

The reason i beileve tyler durden was such a great persuader is because first he was a man. Men are know to be strong and powerful but the reason he was about to be a lead is because he had a vision nthat he beileve in strongly and because of his belief in himself brain washed ours in following his ways

Tyler uses ethos throughout Fight Club as he establishes himself as a normal guy, just like the rest of them. The other men view him as a credible leader because he doesn't abuse his authority, he's only trying to help them. Tyler also uses pathos in that he provides the men an emotional release from their everyday lives through the Fight Club. He is persuasive enough to evoke action out of the men; they begin to do all of his homework assignments and literally "follow" him.

Tyler Durden appeals to the emotions of the members of Fight Club when he gives them his white collar speech. He tells them that they are the working class and they were brought up believing that they were going to be rock stars and movie stars, but in reality there not and that they are pissed off about it. This is his inspiration speech for them to fight that night.

Tyler uses his strong voice and character to persuade the narrator, the members of Fight Club, and the members of Project Mayhem. He persuades them by never struggling to find the words to say and just being very straight-forward and confident in his actions. Tyler employs rhetorical methods by analyzing society's faults and by appealing to the viewers emotions and logic. Tyler uses Pathos by persuading the narrator and the members of Fight Club to forget about material possessions and the American Dream. He does a great job of arousing emotions of frustration out of his audience by hitting the right spots in his speeches and also by recognizing who is audience is. In this case, it is a group of people in need of leadership and direction. He also uses Pathos by establishing a strong connection with the members of Fight Club. He demonstrates that he is going through the same injustices they are experiencing, mainly because they are all members of the same social class. Tyler employs Ethos and thus builds credibility by being the creator of Fight Club and by commanding respect from his audience. He has this aura of confidence and masculinity that others admire. When he speaks, everyone listens. Tyler has clear motives and he proves that he is not the only one benefiting from them. He is successful because he has style, commands authority, and is leading a group of lost individuals.

Tyler persuades the members by appealing to their emotions and feelings. When Tyler spoke to the members he seemed wise about what he was arguing about. These members believed he was an honest man and they trusted him. Tyler uses Pathos and Ethos. He proves his trust for example when the man that owns the bar comes down and fights Tyler. Tyler didn’t give up he fought for the members of fight club. “Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering……and we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.” This speech that Tyler gives makes him seem wise and appeals more to the members emotions and feelings. When you earn peoples trust that makes you more successful and a more tight nit group.

Tyler persuades the narrator and the Fight Club members to follow him by giving them an outlet for their issues. Through Fight Club and Project Mayhem, the members block out their problems and heal. Tyler appeals to their emotions using Pathos by helping them rebel against what they hate in society. He reaches them by making them feel important, and through Project Mayhem, their finally getting recognition, even though its in a negative way. Tyler takes full control, he's authoritative, and he makes the members believe that they can trust him, which is Ethos. He makes the members seem like they are invincible, therefore they follow through with their crimes. Tyler's charm and power takes full control over the members of Fight Club and Project Mayhem.

Tyler Durden has charisma and knows how to manipulate the emotions of others, which is why he is so appealing to the members of Project Mayhem. When others see Tyler, they see a display confidence and courage. Tyler shares the same miserable life these men claim to have, but unlike them, Tyler doesn't seem to let society's woes bring him down, which is why his male bravado is so appealing. These men follow Tyler because they want that same sense of freedom Tyler has.
Tyler constantly reminds them that they are not special and that they are America's slaves because by preying on their emotions, Tyler gains more and more strength. The more he reminds him that they are societies "abandoned children", the more they want to escape. They see Tyler Durden as their salvation, which is why they trust him so easily.

Such a rhetorician is hard to find, proven by the fact that technically Tyler does not exist. He is simply the narrator's alter ego, created because he also wanted an escape from life. He wanted to be everything that he is not, and as his alter ego of Tyler Durden, he gets his sense of freedom.

Tyler Durden is a very persuasive and intelligent man who gets many men to follow him by using some very interesting techniques. The way he presents himself (ethos) is the main reason he gets all the followers. He acts like he does not care about anything and believes he is tough. Having these traits and the confidence to act like this around other men make the other men want to be like him. So these images the men see in Tyler spark their emotions or pathos. Tyler is so successful in gaining members because they see that Tyler is never wrong and he always gets what he wants. What man would not want to be like this?

Tyler Durden is very confident in his ability to influence the Narrator, Fight Club, and the members of Project Mayhem and therefore is extremely persuasive in getting their allegiance to him. Tyler gives off an undeniable persona (ethos) which radiates his charisma, self-confidence, individuality, and leadership ability to the men. He shows the men that he has everything he wants out of life. This causes the men to envy (pathos) Tyler and look to him as a mentor. For the Narrator and members of Fight Club and Project Mayhem, Tyler provides both an emotional and physical escape from the society which they feel they don't belong or matter in (ethos). Tyler is successful in his methods because as an authoritative figure he commands their attention, gains the trust of these lost souls, yet also ensures he is relate-able to the men.

Tyler Durden uses many techniques to get his "followers" of Project Mayhem to comply with his beliefs. Mostly he uses logic (logos) in a way that justifies everything that he does, and everything he wants them to do. Many of the members don't ask questions, and if they do then Tyler always responded with a fact, or sarcasm that made sense to the members logically but was not sensible in the real world. Another way that Tyler persuades the men to follow him is by using ethos. Meaning that his character is one of the main reasons the men believe his reasoning, for example his undeniable courage and experience as a fighter is shown throughout his fights.

Tyer persuades the narrator to follow him because the narrators thinks he is cool and he looks up to him as an idol. Tyler gets the narrator and the members of Project Mayhem to follow him by giving them a new outlet to relieve stress and he makes them listen to him before they can do anything because he is the authority figure. Since he is the authority figure he has credibility(ethos). He is successful because he is charming and a very good speaker.

Throughtout the film, Fight Club, Tyler Durden uses many methods to persuade the narrator, Fight Club, and the members of Project Meyham to follow him. His overall strong personality and confidence in himself (ethos) causes others to do as he says. The other characters do not ask questions about his actions or what is expected of them becuase of his tone and leadership. Tyler's ability to emotionally appeal (pathos) to others is antoher key reason why he is able to persuade so many people to follow him. He allows them a chance to escpae from the "real" world and be a part of something with people in similar situations.

Tyler was able to successfully persuade the Narrator and the members of Project Mayhem and Fight Club to follow him by first demanding respect from them. Once he knew that the guys respected him and looked at him as their leader, he then knew that everything he said wouldn’t be questioned. Since he was their leader, they believed that Tyler wouldn’t do anything to harm them. This is an example of Ethos.

Another reason why Tyler’s argument was so successful was by appealing to the guys’ emotions (Pathos). He knew that the guys were in need of guidance and that they were unhappy with their lives so he manipulates them and tells them to put all their blames on society. He later instills anger and fear in them so that they can follow him.

He had them think about how society viewed them. He also made think about all that they do as a whole for society such as carry out their food or really basic jobs. He basically created an image for them to create inside their head.

Tyler Durden has a presence about him. When he walks into the room, you know that he has entered. From his confidence to the way he speaks, Tyler carries himself in a way that depicts a leader. He is successful in gaining followers by using his speech. He forms an argument that is logical to his audience, but not necessarily to society as a whole. He knows the target audience, and therefore states claims that are appealing to them. This causes the group to trust Tyler and his character (ethos), and start to follow him. Tyler also uses emotional appeal (pathos) to persuade others to follow. By rallying the group to get angry and frustrated at society for not being what society wants them to be, Tyler is aiming his speech at the emotions of these men. He knows they are vulnerable and looking to follow any path that feels right. By using his confidence to gain trust, and playing on the emotions of the men in Fight Club, Tyler is successful at building up a following.

Tyler Durden uses pathos throughout the movie in order to get the narrator and the middle class men to follow him. He says things about our economy/society that is relatively true. The actions aren't really the things that make an impact on us as a viewer in my opinion I believe it is what he says which makes him successful.

Tyler Durden is a pristine model of masculinity and power created by society. In the film, Tyler is successful in not only persuading the protagonist in psychologically but also those who eventually join Fight Club as well (Pathos). His ability to change the lives of individuals seeking identity is exceptional. Tyler shows members of Fight Club that their lives now have a purpose and can now call themselves "Men". Tyler serves as a leader, someone that the narrator and others can aspire to, trust, and can seek guidance through (Ethos). Tyler's overall personality, specifically his confidence and authority, helps contribute to the use of Ethos and the rhetorical method of authority. Tyler's cockiness and nonchalant attitude towards the world and what others believe is what I believe makes Tyler so successful. Those individuals whom are assertive and show leadership can significantly influence others, and that surely is Tyler Durden.

Tyler has a tone of voice that draws attention to what he is saying which makes him seem wise and trustworthy to his followers. His confidences help him to persuade the narrator and the Fight Club and Project Mayhem to follow him. He appeals to these men feelings which give a sense of security to the men. The thing about Tyler is that he understands his followers which help him to play with their emotion and get them to do what he wants. Tyler does not identify with society; he fights against it. Tyler demands respect from his followers.

Betho's Fight Club Comment

Tyler Durden is a very manipultive character. He uses Pathos and Ethos to appeal to the narrator and Project Mayhem members by voicing his opinion on his perspective of life. Also, Tyler Durden is ruthless. He intimidates all of his members mentally. For example, members say that they heard weird make believe stories of Tyler. When Tyler speaks, he mentions things that can relate to emotionally ill people like the narrator. He also scrutinize human's qualities. Everyone is pathetic in his eyes! In addition, Tyler accepts the role of leadership. Therefore, he demands that everyone should obey his commands.

Tyler Durden is a very confident and he is able to manipulate people like puppets. Just the tone of voice and the way he relates much things to the society and the way he shows courage and power he can convince just about anybody. He uses pathos and ethos by showing the members of fight club that they have a purpose to live and that gives the members a security among themselves. The way he walks and talks to the members shows what kind of leader he is and that he should be respected. He demonstrates how they should not identify themselves with society but to go against it by all means. He also relates somethings on how not all people get to be what they wanted to be or what they were expected to become and that they should not take orders from no one.

Tyler uses Ethos to convince the narrator by making himself seem like a reliable source with all the answers. By making himself the leader Tyler has incredible credibility in the eyes of the narrator and thus he trusts him.
Tyler uses Pathos by telling the narrator things he know will affect him psychologically. For example when he wanted to convince him of something, and realize he couldn't do it by normal talk, he told him he was the one that blew up his apartment.

Well Tyler is a very persuasive person that would probably make anyone join Fight Club/Project Mayhem. In my opinion Tyler use of logos or logic make the members most likely second guess themselves and feel like crap. Tyler's boldness makes him a man to look up too and the members respect that and want to support him by joining Fight Club/Project Mayhem. The members have a supporter and a stress reliever of some sort.

Tyler convinces the narrator and the members of Fight Club to follow him through psychological tactics. He turns their depression into happiness by making them feel part of something. The members follow Tyler because they see a confident man who knows what he is doing with his life. The members of Fight Club have no purpose in life, so it's easy for them to become disciples of Tyler.

I think Tyler is successful in his endeavors. The tool that he uses to win the narrator and men of Project Mayhem over initially is pathos. He appeals to frustrations of the men about them being unhappy with their life and job. This was key as they soon felt connected with Tyler when he said he had been through the same and now he is free of it. They are intrigued, and this is what hooks them to him. Next he uses ethos where he connivingly tricks them into trusting him completely as they think he certified in having gone through similar crisis. This is implimented in the rules he made for fight club, for example he said they are not suppose to talk about it. Also seen for Project Mayhem's rule where they aren't suppose to ask questions. How is it possible for one to do. Well, Tyler was a really persuasive person and utilized such tricks to change people and their lifestyles.

Tyler Durden used the rhetorical methods of ethos and pathos to sway the narrator and members of Project Mayhem to follow him. He used ethos to gain the respect and loyalty of the narrator and members. This is seen when he attempts to show them that he is a working class man just like them. An example of pathos was seen during Tyler’s moving speech in the basement of the bar. All in all, Tyler Durden proves to be a very charismatic character who utilizes ethos and pathos throughout the film effectively.


Tyler can basically make anyone do anything for him because hes great at using and conquering the right techniques. He uses pathos by showing the men that through fight club they will be a more dominant man. and most of the men there wanted to feel that way. He also used ethos by showing how they they are all normal and average men, but can be better.

Tyler is able to influence the Narrator and other members of Fight Club and project Mayhem by giving them an opportunity to be somebody new. This is pathos because Tyler deals with their emotions. The fact that the Narrator is actually Tyler is an example of self portrayal, or ethos. Tyler is succesful with these methods because he gives all members a new way to live their lives, with a sense of giving everyone control of themselves.

Tyler talks about many issues with the members of project mayhem and gets them to think the same things that goes on in his head. After they are with him and believe the things he says, he tells them things that sound logical, but in reality are quite ridiculous.Although they are crazy, the members still follow him and do the things that he wants them to do.

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